We undertook 5 DNA tests and have 10 DNA matches to the descendants of Johann Gottlieb Veld(s)man and Martha van de Kaap.
Update as of 17 March 2024:
We can now confirm that we are descendants of Johann Gottlieb Veld(s)man and his wife Martha van de Kaap.
4 family members did the following dna tests which includes:
Walter Mark Veldsman (that's me) - Y-DNA (FTDNA) & Autosomal DNA (Ancestry).
Desiree Veldsman (my sister) - Autosomal DNA (Ancestry).
Debra Veldsman (my sister) - Autosomal DNA (Ancestry)
Wade Veldsman (Desiree's son) - Autosomal DNA (Ancestry)
Our results are available on:
Ancestry.co.uk - the tree is open and available to view by the public.
Myheritage and our tree is also accessible here
Gedmatch
FTDNA (Family Tree DNA website
Wikitree - I have included some information here, but need to add much more details in the near future.
The table below shows our DNA matches to Johann Gottlieb Veld(s)man's descendants.
The arrows below show which branches our matches are from ie all Johann Gottlieb Veldsman's children.
We have many more DNA matches to this family, as of 17 March 2024 I am exploring which branches the remaining DNA matches belong to. Unfortunately many DNA testers test for ethnicity purposes and they dont have family trees so it is hard to work out which branches of Johann Gottlieb Veldsman they belong to.
Suffice to say, we are happy that the 10 DNA matches is sufficient proof to confirm we are descendants of Johann Gottlieb Veldsman.
The following information and images have been found on the National Archives of the Netherlands 20 March 2024.
The image below is not of the Kattendijke the ship Godlieb Veltman from Peterskroon worked on from
24 Oct 1752 - 12 Dec 1775. He became a free citizen at the end of his time on the ship. I will see if I can find a picture of the ship.
Here is a copy of the actual page in the Ships Register giving details of Godlieb Veltman from Peterskroon a soldier. Perhaps we should all change his name from what we had in our family trees from Johann Gottlieb Veldsman to what's actually in his record below unless that is inaccurately reported. I will follow up to see if I can find his military record if it still exists.
I have added some more information on the German Veldman families in the early Cape below
All the Veldsman’s, Veldtman’s, Feldmann’s lived in the Swellendam area between 1750’s to late 1890’s.
Names of German Immigrants 1652-1806 in Cape Town South Africa http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7589/deusa_en.html
VELDMANN / VELTSMAN, VELDMANN -> FELDMANN, VELTSMAN -> VELDMANN
The following 3 German families arrived in Cape Town during the 1700 – 1800’s.
We know of 3 German Veldman families but we now know that we are descendants of Johann Gottlieb Veld(s)man.
The following 3 German families arrived in Cape Town during the 1700 – 1800’s.
We know of 3 German Veldman families but we now know that we are descendants of Johann Gottlieb Veld(s)man.
1. VELDMANN, Johann Gottlieb (also called VELDSMAN). "Peterskroon".
Wagon-driver 1754, farmhand 1756-75, b. 1775.marr10.11.1765 Martha of the C.
2. FELDMANN, Johann Heinrich - Son of Johann Christoph Friedrich F. and Anna Louisa Culemann 1751-67
3. VELDTMAN, Pieter Stephanus Born: 1831 Place: Nieuwfeld,, Netherlands
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1. VELDMANN, Johann Gottlieb also Veld(s)man)
VELDMANN, Johann Gottlieb (also called VELTSMAN). "Peterskroon". Wagon-driver 1754, farmhand 1756-75, b. 1775. ~10.11.1765 Martha of the C. (Marr. Reg. of Zwartland). Children: Matthys Christoph (*1766) ~23.12.1798 Johanna Maria de Kooker, wid. Abraham Tinnerholm (q.v.); Helena Elisabeth (*1767) ~30.9.1792 David Matthys de Kooker (G.R. nr. 486). +1778. (G.R. 1754; CJ 1145:46; CJ 1146:56; CJ 1148:72; Rq. 1775:88; Inv. O.C. 17:7.) Children of Matthys Christoph Veldmann: Johannes Godlieb (28.5.1799) ~8.7.1821 Susanna Catharina Jordaan; Matthys Christoffel (*12.9.1804) ~30.8.1829 Christina Johanna Jordaan; Pieter Johannes Hendrik (*26.12.1808) ~29.8.1830 Christina Zacharia Geertruyda Kuun; Johanna Maria Helena Elisabeth (*7.2.1813) (Bapt. And Marr. Reg. of Swellendam). The following were probably also his children: Frederik Johannes ~Hester Carolina Koch (Test. O.C. 117:97) and Petrus Christoffel ~Elisabeth Jacomina van Rooyen (Test.O.C. 119:39).
VELDMANN, Johann Gottlieb (also called VELTSMAN). "Peterskroon". Wagon-driver 1754, farmhand 1756-75, b. 1775. ~10.11.1765 Martha of the C. (Marr. Reg. of Zwartland). Children: Matthys Christoph (*1766) ~23.12.1798 Johanna Maria de Kooker, wid. Abraham Tinnerholm (q.v.); Helena Elisabeth (*1767) ~30.9.1792 David Matthys de Kooker (G.R. nr. 486). +1778. (G.R. 1754; CJ 1145:46; CJ 1146:56; CJ 1148:72; Rq. 1775:88; Inv. O.C. 17:7.) Children of Matthys Christoph Veldmann: Johannes Godlieb (28.5.1799) ~8.7.1821 Susanna Catharina Jordaan; Matthys Christoffel (*12.9.1804) ~30.8.1829 Christina Johanna Jordaan; Pieter Johannes Hendrik (*26.12.1808) ~29.8.1830 Christina Zacharia Geertruyda Kuun; Johanna Maria Helena Elisabeth (*7.2.1813) (Bapt. And Marr. Reg. of Swellendam). The following were probably also his children: Frederik Johannes ~Hester Carolina Koch (Test. O.C. 117:97) and Petrus Christoffel ~Elisabeth Jacomina van Rooyen (Test.O.C. 119:39).
2. FELDMANN, Johann Heinrich (S. Veldman in CJ 883:67). Son of Johann Christoph Friedrich F. and Anna Louisa Culemann (W. Schmidt, p. 145). –Rinteln. So. 1751-67, superintendent at Rietvalley 1768-69, b. 1770. ~24.11.1771 Judith van EEDEN, wid. Hendrik Swanepoel (Marr. Reg. of Paarl). One son. +1773. (GMR 1751-69; Rq. 1768-70:70; G.R. nr. 991; Bdlr. 8:28.) His son, Johan Hendrik, was married to Anna Margaretha v. Erencroon, d. of Johann Anton v. Erencroon (q.v.). Children: Johannes Jacobus Christoffel (*4.4.1795), Jacobus Petrus (*25.1.1796), Anna Catharina Elisabeth (23.10.1798), Judith Hendrica (2.2.1800), Johan Hendrik (28.5.1801), Frederik Christoffel (13.4.1803), Anna Christina (14.10.1804), Gerrit Herman (22.9.1805), Anna Margaretha (30.10.1810). The first two children were baptised 6.6.1797 at Paarl, the others at Swellendam.
3. VELDTMAN, Pieter Stephanus Born: 1831 Place: Nieuwfeld,, Netherlands
Husband's Name
Pieter Stephanus VELDTMAN (AFN:1K51-T5)
Born: 1831 Place: Nieuwfeld, , Netherlands
Married: 1854 Place: Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 21 Nov 1872 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Buried: Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Family Father: Christoffel VELDTMAN (AFN:BC1D-HF)
Mother: Christina HUGO (AFN:BC1D-JL)
Wife's Name Johanna Dorothea LA GRANGE (AFN:1K51-VB)
Born: 15 Feb 1837 Place: Dist Swellen Dam, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Christened: 6 Mar 1837 Place: Dr Church, Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 3 Jul 1913 Place: Barrydale, Cp, So Af
Buried: Place: Barrydale, Cp, So Af
Married: 1854 Place: Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Family Father: Johannes Petrus Louis LAGRANGE (AFN:BC1D-KR)
Mother: Elizabeth Magdalena VAN DEN BERG (AFN:BC1D-LX)
Children
1. Louis Francois VELDTMAN (AFN:1K52-Z0)
Born: 1863 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: Jul 1941 Place:
2. Pieter Stephanus Hendrik VELDTMAN (AFN:1K52-VG)
Born: 1855 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1915 Place:
3. Elizabeth Christiana VELDTMAN (AFN:1K52-WM)
Born: 1857 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1918 Place:
4. Gert Johannes Jacobus VELDTMAN (AFN:1K52-XS)
Born: 1861 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1891 Place:
5. Jacobus VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-04)
Born: 1865 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1911 Place:
6. Abraham Petrus VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-19)
Born: 1867 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1920 Place:
7. Christina Zacharia VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-2G)
Born: 1869 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1926 Place:
8. Johanna Maria Dorothea Magdalena VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-4S)
Born: 1871 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1938 Place:
_9. Hendrik Stephanus VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-3M)
Born: Jun 1872 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1968 Place:
10. Johannes Jacobus VELDSMAN (AFN:1K51-M4)
Born: 27 Aug 1859 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., South Africa
Died: 29 May 1918 Place: Barrydale, C.p., So. Africa
Buried: Place: Barrydale, C.p., So. Africa
Born: 15 Feb 1837 Place: Dist Swellen Dam, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Christened: 6 Mar 1837 Place: Dr Church, Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 3 Jul 1913 Place: Barrydale, Cp, So Af
Buried: Place: Barrydale, Cp, So Af
Married: 1854 Place: Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Family Father: Johannes Petrus Louis LAGRANGE (AFN:BC1D-KR)
Mother: Elizabeth Magdalena VAN DEN BERG (AFN:BC1D-LX)
Children
1. Louis Francois VELDTMAN (AFN:1K52-Z0)
Born: 1863 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: Jul 1941 Place:
2. Pieter Stephanus Hendrik VELDTMAN (AFN:1K52-VG)
Born: 1855 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1915 Place:
3. Elizabeth Christiana VELDTMAN (AFN:1K52-WM)
Born: 1857 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1918 Place:
4. Gert Johannes Jacobus VELDTMAN (AFN:1K52-XS)
Born: 1861 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1891 Place:
5. Jacobus VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-04)
Born: 1865 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1911 Place:
6. Abraham Petrus VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-19)
Born: 1867 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1920 Place:
7. Christina Zacharia VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-2G)
Born: 1869 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1926 Place:
8. Johanna Maria Dorothea Magdalena VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-4S)
Born: 1871 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1938 Place:
_9. Hendrik Stephanus VELDTMAN (AFN:1K53-3M)
Born: Jun 1872 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., So. Africa
Died: 1968 Place:
10. Johannes Jacobus VELDSMAN (AFN:1K51-M4)
Born: 27 Aug 1859 Place: Dist. Ladismith, Cape Prov., South Africa
Died: 29 May 1918 Place: Barrydale, C.p., So. Africa
Buried: Place: Barrydale, C.p., So. Africa
If you can help us collect data from the local Swellendam or surrounding churches, we will be most grateful. Thank you very much.
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